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  #101 Motion
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Street Racer       ©2011 Jade O.
Panasonic DMC-FZ30       1st place, 144 points
15s, f4.5, ISO 80, 35mm, Manual, Spot, no flash
 
Post-Processing: Crop, rotate, resize, layers.       Extra Info: None
 
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Franz07
Apr 21, 2011
    Hmmm...
Believe it or not, but my next challenge idea would have been "levitation". Funny, don't you think? And yes, I was looking forward to see Michaels idea with the stairs, the second floor and the piano... LOL!
Congrats Jade.

amu
Apr 21, 2011
    Fantastic photo Jade O. Reminds me of a TRON scene

Jade O.
Apr 21, 2011
    No problem, LaRee. I'll make it a point to indicate in future what my Layers were used for; it doesn't add too much wording and can help explain the PP process.

LaRee
Apr 21, 2011
    Jade, layers in no stretch of MY imagination automatically assumes that more than one shot was used!

Jade O.
Apr 20, 2011
    Una - Finally got around to looking up "in dubio pro reo". Wikipedia has some neat info on it.

Michael - I don't save necessarily after each part of PP but I do use the same sort of shorthand sometimes to help me distinguish between versions that have been say cropped (c), rotated (r), adjusted (a), or panostitched (p), etc. Unfortunately, quite often the tag on my images tells me more than I expected about the result of my efforts, using the above, for example , dmc1907crap.jpg!

Mepo
Apr 20, 2011
    Jade - I had the same problem remembering what I had done. Now I've got a code that helps jog my memory so I don't usm over another usm for example. I include a letter for each step in the file name each time I update; c for crop, u for usm etc. It's not perfect but it helps.

My suggestion is that pp be required with the entry but not published until after the vote. Lie you, I see this as a great learning experience.

Jade O.
Apr 20, 2011
    Thanks, LaRee. I'm uncertain what ALL PP used means, and I've simply taken it to mean (whether it was a requirement or not) that, for example, if you cloned out something you can simply say "Clone" or "cloned out distracting elements" as opposed to "cloned out the guy bent over tying his shoe standing behind the subject as well as clone out the orange construction cone in the foreground". Similarly, I've thought "Layers" meant the image has been manipulated most probably by use of more than one shot, or by major rearrangement of the existing shot so that you know what you see is not what came out of the camera in one "frame" to use an older film metaphor. Of course, half the time I can't remember all the steps used to make the image though I could in this one. And in some PP techniques, like some sharpening techniques to recover out of focus or motion blur, the PP explanation is quite complex taking, for example, up to sixty steps on one technique I have written down breaking the image into LAB layers and selectively manipulating each layer then reassembling.

But I partly agree with your concerns and partly with Mepo's. I think it IS important to list the basic PP tools used (which is what I do) and I also think it would help the learning process a lot to know just HOW an effect was achieved, whether it is a one frame shot or multiple layers. I often ask in my comments, "I hope you will tell us how you did that" and I don't always get a reply but I think there is a limit to how many demands we make of members. As for PP, I think in the digital age, it is a fact of life and not necessarily a bad thing. Photography is an art form and I believe in allowing the artist to use all the tools at her disposal - there is a sense wonder in a fantastic shot that was created "straight from the camera" that looks like it was manipulated but wasn't, and for that reason only, do I share Mepo's inclination to rate a great shot higher when there is no PP. But I will still rate a PP shot higher if it impresses me more. It's a totally subjective thing.

Mepo
Apr 20, 2011
    LaRee - I had no idea that that was a stipulation at one time. It has obviously been long gone.

I have embraced pp and am enjoying the learning experience. Having said that, I still give more votes to a "natural" photo and usually downgrade any that do not include pp information (since it is supposed to be included). I think that if anyone states they have used layers that is enough for me to figure out if more than one shot was used.

I am undecided about the requirement for pp information at all. I see that other sites are also accepting many entries without that information even though it is stipulated. Perhaps it is better to just let an image stand on its own.

I'm not sure if I'm being fair but if I see a photo that is obviously HDR I will downgrade that also. I find it is usually overdone and (imo) flattens the photo excessively. Used properly it is an excellent technique that does not detract from the original.

Jade: That was the right decision. Please don't let Franz pick any more challenges - I will have to stand on my head in a bucket of water for his next choice I'm sure LOL LOL

LaRee
Apr 20, 2011
    Congrats Jade. To answer your question, yes I do think ALL post processing should be noted. If an image is a composite image it should be clearly stated in the post processing information. It seems that Panachallenge has moved away from the stipulation that an image not be a composite in order to be accepted as a valid entry. The whole point used to be to meet the challenge theme with what a photographer could accomplish with their camera and not with a lot of post processing.

Jade O.
Apr 19, 2011
    Thank you each for your votes and comments. Honestly, this is the result when you have two throwaway shots (a cyclist and a nighttime highway shot from a bridge) and have no time left - you improvise! The how I did it is set out in my comments below; pleased you like the result though still not sure I would have ranked my own entry first!

I'd ordinarily pass on choosing the next topic in favour of a runner up who hadn't picked before but given the runner up is Franz....Lol!

f_otto
Apr 19, 2011
    Congrats Jade on your #1! It was an highly skilled and delicate work.
Edited on Apr 19, 2011

Raghu
Apr 18, 2011
    Congrats Jade! And, thank you for your message.

andrew.cooper71
Apr 18, 2011
    I also wanted to thank you for the comments you left on my photo... I am flattered!

andrew.cooper71
Apr 18, 2011
    Congrats Jade! I love this shot, you definitly took this photo to another level... I agree that this would be awesome as a large piece of art. You have a wonderful talent... You deserve 1st place

Lo
Apr 18, 2011
    The more I see this the more I like it - Congratulations on a well deserved first. I would love to see this as a large piece of artwork on a feature wall.

Mepo
Apr 18, 2011
    Jade - Congrats on your #1. Well deserved. In my comments I was simply trying to say that objects are supposed to be smaller the farther away they are and that their position should alter with reference to the horizon. What the heck - it is a superb motion shot.

mrsawyer
Apr 18, 2011
    Congrats on your #1. It definitely says "motion".

forkcandles
Apr 18, 2011
    Jade o nice one well done on finish. Wonder what's next.....

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Una
Apr 18, 2011
    Very unusual. I still don't know whether I like it. But it says "In dubio pro reo" and so I put it in my TF to honor the artwork. :-)

Jade O.
Apr 17, 2011
    Michael, always appreciate your comments but don't understand the perspective issue. The smallest helmet is intended to be perhaps the same distance from the viewer as it would be about 20 feet away, the light trails start at least 200 yards away and - the horizon is, of course, about 22 miles at ground level - much further at 22,000 feet lol! (pre-metrically speaking), unless you mean I should have carried the helmet perspective back to the same point as the lights origins - I suppose I could have stretched the light trails to infinity using the perspective tool -certainly that might have looked better.

Thanks Noodler!

Mepo
Apr 17, 2011
    Super shot. My initial attraction was tempered by the lack of perspective in the position and size of the helmet. If the helmet had followed the rules of perspective (and perhaps been blue :-) this would have been my first choice. Excellent impression of motion - am sure it will do well in the voting.

noodler1
Apr 17, 2011
    Love this shot

Jade O.
Apr 16, 2011
    ac71 Thanks!

fc Yep, just two photo's rendered in layers.

Lo Thanks! I was unsure about the underexposed cyclist but I wanted to avoid colour details since I thought it would be distracting from the overall impact.

LaRee I, too, wondered about whether the image was "unbalanced" since the left is heavy in detail and the right starkly barren. But in the end I thought it added to the tension and kinetic sense of the shot.

As for incomplete PP, hmm, LaRee, what would you like to see in post processing?

Something more like: I took a plain black background and cut in some white lines (selectively cropped the plain black shot), then I took a photo of the cyclist and cropped out everything except the part of the cyclist you can see (selectively cropped the cyclist), then I took a photo of traffic on the highway from the bridge and cropped it so just the lights were visible and rotated it 90 degrees and layered it on the black background (selective crop/rotate/layer) and, then I resized the cyclist multiple times and took the multiple layers and put the multiple layers in a nice row varying the opacity of each layer (layers).

I just figured "crop, rotate, resize, layers" was enough to tell everyone what PP tools were used. If we are supposed to explain HOW we used PP then I'm definitely not doing this right!
;-)

Of course, fc stated it even more simply, this is really just two different photos layered on a black background.

Lo
Apr 16, 2011
    Beautifully composed. Layering the subject has allowed you to keep the crispness of the figure and lines. The choice of colours against the black background is superb.

LaRee
Apr 16, 2011
    Incomplete post processing information I am sure. The shot looks off balance to me. Maybe a crop off the right side would help?

forkcandles
Apr 15, 2011
    Like this one a lot as I assume two pictures( one of the cyclist) and a road scene with traffic movement. The positioning of the layers has worked

andrew.cooper71
Apr 15, 2011
    Very cool Photo! top contender for me in a pool of some wonderful entries.
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