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  #89 From above
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Chasing Tudors above Toronto       ©2010 Jade O.
Panasonic DMC-FZ30       8th place, 77 points
1/400s, f5.6, ISO 80, 47mm, Normal Program, Pattern, no flash
 
Post-Processing: Layers (soft light/normal - mostly to remove minor canopy reflection), resize, sharpen.       Extra Info: Maintaining altitude while rolling in chase perspective looking up and following lead; look a bit and you'll see the Tudor above me in the ground clutter in a hard right at 2,300 feet in the shadow of a scattered cloud layer at 4,000 feet. That's the Argos game in the Skydome below.

(I'm really interested in your photo critique on this one - it breaks too many rules of conventional shots (off-angle etc.) but for me conveys exactly what you see/experience on a high G rolling turn looking up for your target - your photo critique can give me a better perspective of whether this brings the effect home to you or just looks wonky. BTW the term "above me" refers to the view above the imaginary geometric flat surface extending outward in all directions from my wings) although the target is actually "below me" altitude-wise (for reasons of safety in blind or converging turns) until visual contact is established as confirmed by the air to air radio broadcast of the phrase "contact" and "contact" by each aircraft in turn confirming for each pilot that visual contact has been re-established with the other.)

Hint - if you're still confused, while sitting at your computer, try grabbing the sides of your monitor and while holding your monitor straight armed above your head and slightly off to the side, look up and now twist your head at a 45 degree angle...this is the view!
 
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andrew.cooper71
Sep 29, 2010
    Oh my god!! I did not even pick up the other plane in the shot!! That is amazing.... wow, very cool shot, cooler shot!!
I have not done very well myself in the last couple challenges but I will not let it damper my spirits. I have an entry in the next challenge... "low Key"... although a technically challenging subject I will try to "bring it" this time!
You comments and guidance has been well recieved and appreciated... hope to do you proud!

dodrizzt
Sep 28, 2010
    Many congrats Jade!! I'm sad this great pic didn't finished higher but at least TT is a nice reward, I still feel the breathtaking sensation each time I look at it :-)

Mepo
Sep 28, 2010
    This is looking better all the time - the dizziness is passing LOL I do appreciate the difficulties of grabbing shots like this. We had a contract taking progress shots of a construction project one time. My brother flew the Piper Club while I hung out the window with a 4x5 graphic. Now THAT was scary. (I always suspected my brother got his licence in a bag of popcorn ) LOL

Jade O.
Sep 27, 2010
    Thank you for all your votes and comments. I feel fortunate to have made top ten in this field with this shot.

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Jade O.
Sep 27, 2010
    Wow! Thanks, fc. Some thought poorly of the effort and some thought positively. I don't recall ever seeing such diverse opinion on one of my entries. Pleased you liked it! Of course, I've learned lots from those that didn't so I especially appreciate their taking the time to comment.

forkcandles
Sep 27, 2010
    this has everything and caught my eye ............. and the only photograph that took time to see all the details. found the aircraft eventually my no 1

Jade O.
Sep 27, 2010
    Billy, thanks. I'm glad some got the feeling of being in the cockpit from this shot - not all did so I wasn't entirely successful. I have a new appreciation of how great some airborne photographers truly are (see samples in outtakes). I also understand thanks to all the comments how important it is to use a wide angle lens and to have some obvious orientation clues. I'm happy for your vote but feel undeserving.

Thank you, Alberto. Aerial photography (other than shooting other aircraft in formation) is a lot more difficult than I imagined - haze, angle, lighting, vibration, and a constantly moving shooting platform - make it a real challenge.

dodrizzt
Sep 27, 2010
    Hi Jade! :-D
Photo critique... mumble mumble... this is difficult to criticise! As you've said, this great image breaks lots of rules, but... I don't mind!!! oh my, the feeling of really flying over the city you've got here!! Impressive! Having the leading Tutor in the pic is what makes that feeling so accentuated, along with the canopy railing (sorry if that's not the correct word), what in any other image would have been highly intrusive, but here I feel it's really needed, to complete the feeling that you are inside a chasing plane and high-speed turning right...
I really, really like this image :-) not only for the stunning, beautiful view of Toronto from above, but also for my heart loving any aircraft/airborne... there are some great images in the Challenge, maybe yours won't win, but for me, I can't help giving it my #1 from the first sight... thanks for sharing this, it's wonderful!!
P.S. that colours... you are flying on a S.B., right? I'm VERY jealous!!! :-D :-D :-D
Edited on Sep 27, 2010

boar76
Sep 27, 2010
    :-))))...This challenge seems to be created for you!...It's a great image,very uncommon,and well executed!...The airplane on the top left adds something precious and exciting...I like crazy people like you!:-)))
...!Brava Jade!

Jade O.
Sep 26, 2010
    Lo, How did you know it was me? ;-)

The bar is the window frame, where glass meets window, if that makes sense. Tint is for sun, clear is for night vision, and in some aircraft, it's actually variably adjustable! But for this shot I was strictly photographing! Confusion means I took a lousy photo, I'm afraid. LaRee said it best; if you have to explain your image...

Pleased with all who took the time to comment positive and negative; I've learned a lot here in the experience and especially in your comments. See outtakes for two better examples of how to orient a shot to put the viewer in the cockpit and without any confusion at all. I have learned a valuable lesson in airborne photography thanks to all of you. The lesson - make sure your image needs no explanation!
Edited on Sep 27, 2010

Lo
Sep 26, 2010
    Jade, you're having entirely too much fun!!! It's an incredible picture, which confused me totally at first. Now that I've picked out the other plane, it makes more sense. My problem is the bar across the bottom left, which I can't place in context. If I were looking out over a wingtip or nose, I would have a better feel for where you were. That being said, I would never be able to handle a G-roll, much less have the presence of mind to take a photo!

Jade O.
Sep 26, 2010
    LaRee, You are right, of course. Photography 101 - I forget one of the basic rules. (For the record, I was just the photographer for this shot, though!)

LaRee
Sep 25, 2010
    It just looks to me like it should be flipped 90 degrees. In my humble opinion, if an image needs *too* much of an explanation to be understood...then something is missing in the image itself. I appreciate your skill to capture this image in a high G roll though. Very impressive.

Jade O.
Sep 25, 2010
    Franz, how did you know it was me??? LOL! I think this is a lousy photo artistically but a cool photo from a candid perspective. Pleased you liked it; though I don't think it will rank well, I just had to share it with you all.

Franz07
Sep 25, 2010
    Jade, I was hoping for an airliner from high above with dramatic looking clouds under it. But you topped my expectations. Great idea, amazing perspective - excellent you did not straighten it. A view and feeling I love from riding a rollercoaster. It makes me really envious!
As far as I understand your pp info, the other plane is not layered. That makes the result even more exciting!

Jade O.
Sep 24, 2010
    Mepo Thanks. I really do appreciate the feedback. I was trying to emphasize the "above the City" part for the theme - as for the window, I thought without some part of my aircraft in the image, you would lose any sense of my orientation. andrew mentioned something similar so I know you are onto something and that my presentation is flawed; because I was there it is hard for me to objectively view this. The emphasis on the ground was to meet the Challenge requirement of having the subject BELOW you - I couldn't have shot the other aircraft at all in that orientation-- and, relatively speaking, the other aircraft is not really close at all! Lastly, I didn't anticipate spatial orientation would be a major concern but judging from the comments so far, clearly I was wrong, so again, I really appreciate your taking the time to comment.

billSCO Thanks. I wondered about the orientation but when your aircraft is on its side, it is like you are lying on your side on a bed looking out the window -- your eyeballs are one on top of the other, one skyward one toward the ground, and the horizon runs in the same direction as your spine. So I chose a "real" viewer perspective to try to put you in the cockpit not very successfully, I guess! But this is exactly the feedback I wanted so I thank you for it.
Edited on Sep 24, 2010

Mepo
Sep 24, 2010
    Franz has already twisted my neck with his kids on the stairs and now you hit me with this LOL. I envy you the opportunity to take this but admit that I would be extremely uncomfortable in your place. My limited experience gives me an entirely different reaction to having another aircraft so close. My problem with the photo is that it emphasizes the ground and I would prefer to see the emphasis on the other aircraft. As it is, the unusual view of the ground is meaningless. Also I dislike the window of your aircraft intruding on the scene. I wish I could be more positive because I admire your skill in flying and photography. Thanks for sharing this with us.

billSCO
Sep 24, 2010
    I don't know much about "real" photgraphy, but I would have rotated the picture 90 degrees to the right. Just too hard for me to visualize it the way you have it.

Jade O.
Sep 24, 2010
    andrew Actually an interesting idea; [Edit.] After your comment on my main entry in the last challenge, I have to add: You do see that there are two wings in this shot already, right? ;-) I never thought of shooting down the wing at the ground for orientation purposes; see better examples of orientation using wings and other plane parts in outtakes. I do appreciate your commenting; if I've learned anything from your comment and the ones that followed it is, Make sure the viewer can figure out what's going on! LaRee perhaps said it best, You shouldn't have to explain your photo. I'm still learning and especially appreciate your commenting.
Edited on Sep 27, 2010

andrew.cooper71
Sep 24, 2010
    After reading the extra info I totally got it, however at the initial look I was thinking that this picture was submitted wrong? With that said it is an interesting perspective and provokes thought. If you were somehow able to get a piece of the wing in the shot it would have went a long way I think.

Jade O.
Sep 23, 2010
    elliott My bio is classified! LOL! (And most of the other roughly dozen shots I took are even more classified since they show too much interior!) All I will say to protect the innocent (for now) is this was one of those days when you think, Thank God, God meant man to fly! (And on days like this you really believe She did!)
Edited on Sep 27, 2010

elliott
Sep 23, 2010
    all right you. time for you to fill in some of the gaps in your biography for us. are you a pilot for the snowbirds?? feels like the old tv show 'what's my line'.
great shot. high (very high) in my favorites. and if you had tried to center the other aircraft, you might have lost too much of that city below.
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